Re: dropping ideas

by 74Malibu383 Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:40 pm

Rago wrote:Less if he doesn't have access to a welder.

What? I'm confused. What does a welder have to do with drop spindles or coil-overs on these cars?

by The Dude Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:45 pm

Front coilovers can be done without one, but I'm almost 100% sure that doing the rears would require fabrication. Do you know of rear coilovers that don't? Who wants to do one end but not the other?

We can have a good debate as far as lowering techniques. Let's hear other people's opinions/experiences with different methods. I'm always open ears & not going to shut out any options unless it's heating springs. We'll leave that at the door since it's never a good thing to do.

by 74Malibu383 Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:21 pm

Oh man, you're right about a lot of stuff my friend, but you're 100% wrong on this one.

Read my coil-over post a few weeks back. I didn't do any fabrication that anyone here couldn't do. My "custom" spacer could have been done with a couple store-bought washers, and the top plate was nothing more than a 1/4" thick piece of metal with some holes drilled out.

And... I ran the car with JUST the front coil-overs for a while and was very happy.

by The Dude Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:34 pm

Hmmm...... No welding at all? I always thought they required welding on the rears. Hydro's set up is what I was basing this theory on, but since you've done it I'll believe you. I admit to not knowing everything.

How much of a difference did just the fronts make & how simple would it be for an 18 year old with no experience (77) to set up properly? I'm looking at it from this perspective; adjustable LCA's are worth their cost if you know what you are doing, but in the wrong hands can really screw a ride up. Just wondering if coilovers are the same? It would suck to put preload on one corner & not know it until it's on the road. What's your thoughts?

by Limey SE Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:38 pm

Hydros was a 4 link set up and that is why his was different

by 74Malibu383 Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:41 pm

No welding. The ones on Hydro's car are the "perfect" way to do it. The ones I installed would be classified under the "bolt-in" catagory. I just did a couple extra things to make it stronger. One of these days I'll pull it all out and weld it up like he did, but they'll work just fine the way I have them installed right now.

As for the fronts, I guess it all depends. Can the 18 year old replace factory springs? If yes, then he can install coil-overs. The entire set up just goes in place of the factory spring. As for preloading, I don't think that's a concern unless you don't know how to measure. I mean, all you have to do is make sure the adjusters on both sides are the exact same, and you're good. There would be no reason to have different ride heights unless you were making left turns all day on the oval.

by 74Malibu383 Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:44 pm

Limey wrote:
Hydros was a 4 link set up and that is why his was different

Again, I disagree. He didn't have anything different on his car that any of us do with exception of the coil-overs. Sure, he had adjustable upper trailing arms, but they bolted to the factory location. He merely cut off the top spring perch and welded another bar across the top to support the coil-overs.

by Limey SE Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:51 pm

by 74Malibu383 Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:52 pm

Like I said. His upper and lower trailing arms still bolt to the factory locations. He just modified (deleted) the factory springs and welded up the coil-overs.

by Limey SE Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:55 pm

right I see that now I wonder why I thought he switched to a 4 link set up maybe he always talked about it so much that I had actually thought he did it ??

by Malicruiser Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:59 pm

I'm with 383 on this one. While Hydros frame was a work of art, it was really nothing too difficult to do. Aside from welding on the mounts for his rear coil-over kit, everything else was a complete bolt on setup. The front coil-overs were a bolt on, and as for the rear set up it wouldn't cost too much to have someone weld the kit for you.

by Malicruiser Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:01 pm

Limey wrote:right I see that now I wonder why I thought he switched to a 4 link set up maybe he always talked about it so much that I had actually thought he did it ??

I thought you knew our cars had triangulated 4 links from the factory!?

by The Dude Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:07 pm

You beat me to it Malicruiser! Our cars are already 4 link.

by Malicruiser Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:08 pm

Sorry Rago. Laughing

by Limey SE Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:09 pm

Malicruiser wrote:
Limey wrote:right I see that now I wonder why I thought he switched to a 4 link set up maybe he always talked about it so much that I had actually thought he did it ??
I thought you knew our cars had triangulated 4 links from the factory!?

Yea I knew that already but he was always talking about doing the factory one better, you know him he always had to have it BUILT better LOL

by Malicruiser Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:43 pm

Yeah he did, I believe that showed in his frame/art work.

by McCauley5983 Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:02 pm

i just put 2 inch drop camaro springs on the front of mine from hotckis couldnt be happier you probably want to install the offset control arm shafts though but it really takes turns right now and i havent got it aligned yet Laughing

they really put new life back into the front end

by Limey SE Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:42 pm

Malicruiser wrote:Yeah he did, I believe that showed in his frame/art work.

Yea I miss his art and him just a little bit, the little sh*t

LINK IT WILL YA i do not wanna look LMAO, man I miss hearing that

by 77malibu77 Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:08 am

Limey wrote:
Malicruiser wrote:Yeah he did, I believe that showed in his frame/art work.

Yea I miss his art and him just a little bit, the little sh*t

LINK IT WILL YA i do not wanna look LMAO, man I miss hearing that

could have sworn ive talked to him before. not sure tho ive seen him everywhere all over g3gm and cardomain. what a genius What a Face

by Limey SE Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:11 am

NO CRO he was already deceased when you joined

by Malicruiser Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:17 am

Limey wrote:NO CRO he was already deceased when you joined

He was when I joined, thanks to you Limey. But I wasn't active on here at first, then I had to pack up my computer because our house sold MUCH faster than we thought it would and we hadn't found a new house yet. By the time we got our new house and unpacked he was gone. I don't even know what happened, it feels like he there one day then gone the next!

by 77malibu77 Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:23 am

wish i knew what happened to the lil man. he sure taught us a lot just by seeing his chassis

by The Dude Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:33 am

Are you for real? Limey & Corey both have RIP in their sig's AND it's stickied at the top of the Off Topic section.
https://www.g3gm.com/off-topic-f12/rip-chris-hydro-king-t902.htm

Here's to you Hydro >>> king

by Limey SE Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:32 pm

Rago wrote: Are you for real? Limey & Corey both have RIP in their sig's AND it's stickied at the top of the Off Topic section.
https://www.g3gm.com/off-topic-f12/rip-chris-hydro-king-t902.htm

Here's to you Hydro >>>

HOW ABOUT THAT RAGO, The lil sh*t is gone for over a year and he is still maKING WAVES lmao LONG LIVE KING HYDOR

by The Dude Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:02 pm

LMAO, he's probably up there watching & laughing too. Very Happy

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